CARL SANDERS

Former Georgia Governor Carl Sanders, "A Great Georgian"


Former Georgia Governor Carl E. Sanders is the subject of a new Georgia Center video program, the first of several biographical profiles planned for a renewed Great Georgians series.

Known as "Georgia's Education Governor," Sanders led the state from 1963 to 1967 (elected at the age of 37), and worked to move Georgia politics beyond race and into issues such as education and economic development -- factors that could improve the quality of life for all. Sanders is credited with the expansion of the University System of Georgia and increased spending to support public schools. He also secured authorization from the state legislature for the study of public education from kindergarten through graduate school. Today, Sanders manages the Atlanta law firm Troutman Sanders LLP, one of Georgia's largest firms, with more than 300 lawyers, and is involved in several companies.

In an interview with the Georgia Center Quarterly, Sanders discussed his life, accomplishments, and future plans. Asked if he ever dreamed of achieving this much success in life, he replied, "I never had any idea. I have exceeded my fondest expectations."


From Augusta to the Governor's Mansion

Born in Augusta, Georgia, in 1925, Sanders said his childhood was rooted in strong family values. "We didn't have a lot of money, but we had values. I had a wonderful mother and a fine father who nurtured me and instilled good values in me," adding that this is something that he tried to pass down to his own children. "They've turned out to be wonderful examples of what I think a young man and a young woman should be." His son and daughter are now grown, married and have children of their own. "I've adjusted to the various stages of my life -- business, military and civilian -- because of my family and good health."

Sanders said his children experienced "a good deal of pressure" while he was in office as governor. "I think they got an inside view of what the political world was and decided that they didn't want to be a part of it. Neither one of them expressed any desire to be in the public arena," he said, when asked if his children had any political aspirations of their own.

Sanders and his wife, Betty, celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary this past September 6. He referred to his wife as a "wonderful supporter, my anchor," adding, "All of the things I have accomplished I could not have done without her." Betty, an accomplished artist, found solace in her work during times of what Sanders calls "political helter skelter."


Elected

Sanders joined the military at 17. "After WWII, I was very fortunate to get home safely and get home to The University of Georgia and take a lot of courses and tests, and received academic credit for service." He also played football and went into law school. Sanders later entered politics after practicing law for two or three years in Augusta. He helped form an independent party made up of young veterans, a group that was instrumental in breaking up the town's political machine, "The Cracker Party," which controlled the city and county.

Sanders was elected to the Georgia House of Representatives, then to the Georgia Senate three times. "Things happen in your life that you never anticipated and don't really plan on it. I was elected to Richmond County, and when Jefferson and Glascock counties both waived their rights to elect a senator, they allowed me to serve them."

He added, "If that didn't happen, I never would have been governor. I would have rotated out and went back to my law practice and into civilian life."


Olympic Spirit

The former governor was an Olympic Torch Bearer in Augusta, Georgia, for the Centennial Olympic Games hosted by Atlanta last summer. He was accompanied by his grandchildren on the half-mile journey. "It was an exciting, fantastic experience. I also found out that running about a half a mile up a hill with a torch in your hand is not as easy as people might think it is," he said.

"It was emotional being a part of the group on the bus when they drop you off at various and sundry points. Before they dropped off the first runner, they went around the bus and each individual torch runner told why they were running. It was fantastic to me to hear what some of these people had done with their lives in the communities where they live, in the vocations that they have, and so forth."

Sanders said that he was especially moved by a young woman who rode with the torch across the country and told, with tears in eyes, of her experiences listening to some of the stories that fellow torchbearers shared along the route. "It was patriotism at its best," he said.

"It was touching," he said, "when you got out of the bus and saw people from all walks of life, of all ages and all ethnic groups, sitting and standing ... waving American flags, cheering you on. It made you realize that there are lots of good people. Every night when you hear about all of these terrible crimes that go on in the community, you get the impression that everybody in the world is doing something bad. When in fact, that's just not true. The great majority of people in this country is still made up of good solid people who love this country and believe in it and want to do the things that uplift people. That's one of the feelings that this torch run gave me, and I hope it did the same for others. It was wonderful just to see this outpouring of goodwill.

"The Olympics gave us heroes. We don't have many heroes in this country anymore. We used to look up to athletes and political figures, but now you read about them in the tabloids. I don't know what kids in this day and time aspire to. I guess if I was a kid today, I would look forward to exploring the universe. That seems to be sort of pristine, clean, and pure out there -- something that a kid could look forward to that doesn't have the negative connotations that everything else seems to have."


Politics and the Media

Sanders commented on the current state of politics in today's society. "I was in the watershed era of the Civil Rights battle. I was in the midst of all that. It was a different climate when I was in office, particularly when it comes to the media. You didn't have to worry about things being reported that were off the record. Most journalists back then wanted to be respected, and I wanted them to respect me. There was a mutual respect between most journalists and politicians."

Now that has changed, Sanders said, adding that the "media wants you to fear them. Fear and intimidation seem to be the key words in the media rather than mutual respect. I think that is a very sad transition. It does a disservice several ways. One of which is that it keeps the real story from being told and also keeps many good people from ever thinking about getting into public life because of the manner in which they are treated and their families are treated."

When asked if the current climate would have kept him from pursuing a political career, he replied, "I would be very dissuaded about public life. But you've got to put that in context. I've been through all of that. I've been able to financially secure my life, and back in those days, I was young and not very financially secure. I took a lot more risk then."


No Plans for Retirement?

Sanders was inducted into the Georgia Aviation Hall of Fame earlier this year for distinguished service in the military and as a civilian. "It was flattering. Also brought back memories for me of my military service as a pilot and my civilian aviation career," he said. Sanders, a licensed pilot, owns a couple of aircraft, which he found to be important when he campaigned across the state. "I was the first governor to campaign by flying his own plane."

As governor, Sanders spearheaded the building of more than 70 community airports in Georgia. "I realized that large companies looking to develop industrial parks would not consider smaller towns as possible locations without these airports," Sanders said, adding that this development created opportunities for economic growth in these rural areas. With the federal government's participation, counties were provided money if the county provided the land for the airstrip.

When he is away from his law firm, Sanders enjoys hunting, golfing, and other outdoor activities, as well as reading non-fiction, particularly biographies and historical works. Recently, he read with great interest author Melissa Fay Greene's The Temple Bombings, which tells the story of the bombing of a Jewish temple on Peachtree Street in Atlanta, Georgia, during the 1960s Civil Rights Era. He mentioned that he knows some of the people in the book.

When asked if he would be interested in pursuing writing, he responded, "I found out years ago, when working with Jim Cook on my biography, that writing is a hard, tough job. It is not one of my avocations," adding that his only writing is related to his career in law.

He's always been a YMCA enthusiast. "I go to the YMCA everyday when I'm in town. If I don't go, I can tell it. It gives me energy and stamina." He is currently involved in the construction of a YMCA (which is being named after him).

Sanders said that he is most proud of "that I'm still here and healthy, still doing some things and enjoying life."

At 72, Sanders commented, "I hope I still got another 15 to 20 years left. Whatever time I've got, I'm going try to live it enthusiastically and in good health. I have lived life to the fullest. I have enjoyed life and I'm still enjoying life and I hope to keep on."


"Carl Sanders: A Great Georgian"

This Georgia Center video follows Sanders' life and career, from his upbringing in Richmond County, to his military service and college years, to his political beginnings in his 20s, to becoming Georgia governor at 37 in 1963, to his successful law practice, and other accomplishments.

Sharing their thoughts on Sanders are Rick Allen, author; D. Douglas Barnard, U. S. Congressman; S. Ernest Vandiver and George D. Busbee, former Georgia governors; George T. Smith, judge; Betty Foy Sanders, Sanders' wife; Bill Shipp, political analyst; Leroy Johnson, former Georgia state senator; Andrew Young, former U.N. ambassador; and Zell Miller, Georgia's governor today.


For more information, contact

James F. Shehane, head
Department of Television Services
Georgia Center for Continuing Education
The University of Georgia
Athens, Georgia 30602-3603
Phone: 706-542-6741
Fax: 706-542-6720
e-mail: shehanej@gactr.uga.edu

Andrew J. Permar, producer/director
Department of Television Services
Georgia Center for Continuing Education
The University of Georgia
Athens, Georgia 30602-3603
Phone: 706-542-6721
Fax: 706-542-6720
e-mail: permara@gactr.uga.edu



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